[ge-talk] Vision for a usable commandline

[Ari Haviv]

On 1/10/07, Niklas Nisbeth <niklas at nisbeth.dk> wrote:
>
> Unix isn't meant to be easy to use, it's meant to be powerful. sed and
> regular expressions are nice once you get to know them. there's a
> learning curve, yes, it takes time, yes, but the point is that once you
> get over that learning curve you'll find that bash and the Unix tools
> is a very valid and very friendly way to work. Just because you can't
> get to grips with it by looking at it doesn't mean it's a bad design -
> it is not!


What design? :)

This is what we and unix have to compete with. The Microsoft power shell:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx
http://arstechnica.com/guides/other/msh.ars

The reason Haiku must comply to posix standards (and hence be unix-like
> in some way) is that apps written for Unix can then easily be ported
> and a native gui put on top of them.


Are you saying haiku must have "backwards compatibility" and legacy just
like Windows and linux are stuck? One could also say that haiku needs win32
api's so that thousands  of Windows apps could be ported to Haiku. There are
a lot more Win apps than posix and most people think they are better.

I mean if someone just wanted posix apps with a nice GUI there's gnome, kde
or even macos X. We need to be better. It made more sense for BeOS in the
macos 9 days because then Be could say "we have a mac like GUI with the
powerful unix cli" but there is less difference now.

The idea of an object orientated command line is an exciting idea,
> obviously (a visual command line is one of the things I want to do at
> some point in my life), but I think there are much more pressing needs
> to attend to.
>
> /NIklas


I want to put everything on the table. Even the color picker... :)
I also like the idea of integrating graphics with the console. do you mean
visual as in icons in the console or visual as in visual basic?
like
http://cosycmd.thetaxitau-software.qarchive.org/

I'm more concerned about the functionality than about how nice the interface
is. I could perhaps tolerate the unix style but the standard unix tools
can't deal with our meta data and filetypes very well, the concept of
indexed files, vms style file versioning or os/2 style object templates and
objects in general like the trash concept.
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